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Ned Holness: The First Trajedian

Journal Entry: Mon Feb 25, 2008, 5:21 PM
Ned Holness: The First Trajedian

((Note: "Ned Holness" is Carlos Mencia's real birth name.)

Many great comedians have risen in US America…when we allowed them. Sam Kinison, Bill Hicks, Ellen DeGeneres, Jerry Seinfeld, Chris Rock, Eddie Murphy, Dave Chapelle, Paula Poundstone, Janeane Garofalo. You may disagree that any of those are great, but that’s really because you have BAD TASTE.

It’s always been my opinion that spoken comedy is an art form. Norm McDonald says the point of telling a joke is to make someone do something involuntarily. On a Freudian level, all humans feel they have power over others if they can make someone laugh or resist being made to laugh. It is a reflex but triggered by an idea. This behavior may have evolved in our ancestors as a way of showing submission. With most other psychic reflexes, emotion is involved such as crying, screaming, blushing…but laughter is not entirely an expression of Joy. It can sometimes be spurred by something very tragic. Further evidence that it has less to do with elation and more to do with submission.

There are some conventions to joke telling or comedy routines that are difficult to deviate from. Misdirection, observation, miming, juxtaposition, irony, sarcasm…just to name a few. Some comics use a range of these, some specialize in a narrow methodology, but ultimately, like an art form, it comes from what that individual is inspired by. The best art comes purely from the artist’s most private area of thoughts. Everyone can identify, on some level, with everyone else…but if you can’t connect at a very intimate level, if you can’t make people follow your thoughts without having to communicate too much information, then you are lost. This is also why the best jokes have an element of brevity.

A lot of communication is non-verbal. Humans communicate with gestures, inflections, and facial expressions as well as words. Words themselves ultimately have no absolute meaning because every word used to describe that word is really only related to memories associated with those words. No one can ever truly understand what the word “love” or “hate” or “funny” means in an absolute sense. The comedian’s job, for this reason, is very difficult. The routine is really a gamble and the entire time, he is hoping that the audience can understand what he is saying, not just on a linguistic level, but a human level.

Before I move on to why Ned Holness is a failure as a comedian for the reasons I’ve already given, I want to talk about the lack of artistic and intellectual integrity in the US. Larry the Cable Guy, Carrot Top, Dane Cook, and Tim Allen. The US has contributed some of the funniest minds of all time, yet at the same time, some of the worst comedians in the world can also become multi millionaires.

If you like Dane Cook or Tim Allen, I have a news flash for you, you have horrible taste in comedy.

If you’ve already began to regurgitate the argument “well if they are so horrible why are they so popular?” then I have another news flash for you…the value of art is not determined by how many dollars it’s worth.

Just because someone makes a million dollars does not mean they are talented or smart. It just means the majority of people in this country willing to spend their money are IDIOTS.

There is the reason why Larry the Cable Guy, Carrot Top, Dane Cook, and Tim Allen are so popular…because the vast majority of Americans have horrible taste. The vast majority of Americans are afraid of being intellectual. The vast majority of Americans are culturally retarded. No, not retarded as in “dee dee dee”, I mean “retarded” as in: impeded or held back.

For Fuck’s sake, American Gladiators is back on television.

Most people turn their TV on to be entertained. They don’t want to think. They want to be told what funny is so they can acquire what is the accepted definition of funny among their peers without any thought. Most people who watch star trek, if asked to name 10 things that don’t make sense according to the laws of physics, couldn’t make it past 2.

Television isn’t supposed to show you things that are artistically rich, created by talented people, or have intellectual merit, television is supposed to sedate you and condition you to be a good consumer. Open your fucking eyes.


Ned Holness is a thief. It’s boggles my mind how people rationalize how he’s NOT a thief so they themselves don’t have to accept they are DIM WITTED for having been tricked.

I’ll be the first to admit that I used to think Dane Cook and Tim Allen were hilarious. Now I know better and I recognize how terrible my taste in comedy used to be. Some people though…you really cannot get them to ever admit they might have laughed at something that was really lame. It’s really your ego, and not his jokes, that makes you think Ned Holness is funny.

Ned Holness always forces this idea that he is edgy and controversial, as if he is talking about things no one else wants to talk about. This is patently dishonest. Or maybe it’s just plain delusional. The fact is, from the moment I first heard his material, I laughed AT HIM for how tame and uncontroversial his material was. I also laughed because I know for a fact he plagiarized a joke from a female comedian named Elvira Kurt. (The joke was about how back in the day playgrounds used to be torture devices as opposed to present day when everything is rubber matted and safe). It was astounding to me because of how he almost told the bit exactly how she told it without even flinching.

Some comedians struggle for years before they create a 30 minute bit that is decent. I know Elvira Kurt is not as well known as she should be and has probably been struggling for years at her craft. Imagine how difficult it is to make a crowd, who has paid a large sum of money, to acknowledge they are getting their money’s worth by making them involuntarily laugh. It takes a very honed skill and natural talent to be able to control people’s body in that way, especially when they are all intent on not laughing, consciously or unconsciously. For someone to just take one of her best bits and claim it as their own only to become a household name, is to me, the definition of a sociopath.

I would argue that perhaps Ned Holness truly believes he does not steal material. Watching and listening to him offstage reminds me of someone I knew in real life who is a pathological liar. He lives in this augmented reality like a borderline schizophrenic. He cannot completely differentiate between what is fantasy and what is reality. This may be compounded by the fact that club owners and tv producers do not particularly care that he steals and simply want to target the Latino portion of the audience. This validation, because of its authoritative source, makes it incredibly difficult for someone to think objectively about whatever delusion they might possess. It’s similar to how cult leaders develop a messianic complex, like L Ron Hubbard or Charles Manson.

Perhaps, though, he knows he is stealing and simply doesn’t care. He feels no sense of shame that would naturally come to a normal person and does a great job of lying through his teeth about how he doesn’t steal.

Whatever the case may be, Ned is a failure as a comedian regardless of whether he steals or not (and he does steal). His routines are one dimensional, his stage presence is melancholic, the subjects are sophomoric and stale. It’s not a controversial topic if every late night talk show host has already done a monolog or segment about it. Ned Holness is the first Trajedian.

You can rationalize the evidence of his thievery. You can tell yourself that I’m just jealous or racist. I’ve made my arguments clear. All I ask is you think objectively and think for yourself.

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  • Current Age: Twenty
  • Current Residence: Brooklyn NY
  • Interests: debating, debunking, science fiction, space pirates, bounty hunters, robots, cyborgs
  • Favourite movie: Fantastic Planet
  • Favourite band or musician: Man...or Astro Man?
  • Favourite genre of music: for god sake, why compartmentalize music??
  • Favourite artist: umm uh...
  • Favourite poet or writer: hmmm...
  • Favourite photographer: hahahahaha
  • Favourite style or digital art: that's ridiculous
  • Operating System: windows xp
  • MP3 player of choice: windows media player
  • Shell of choice: oyster shells
  • Wallpaper of choice: bare walls
  • Skin of choice: Sheep skin
  • Favourite game: The Warriors
  • Favourite gaming platform: Playstation 2
  • Favourite cartoon character: Lady Mcbeth
  • Personal Quote: If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face...forever." -1984
  • Tools of the Trade: Painter Classic, Photoshop, Wacom Intuous 3 pen tablet, Samsung 17 inch flat panel monitor

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Devious Comments

~MBV89:iconMBV89: Dec 13, 2007, 8:06:17 PM
So where's "your... hm... 'art'"? I'd like to see some creativity flowing behind that thick skull of yours.

Hey, DeimosSaturn, great work man, I've been on DA for a good while, and I'm on the GTA forums under the same name, you have great ideas and an exceptional talent at concept art, keep up the great work, don't let low people like this bother you.

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~sharpspike06:iconsharpspike06: Dec 11, 2007, 9:34:18 PM
*cough* Douche *cough*

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~sharpspike06:iconsharpspike06: Dec 11, 2007, 9:33:58 PM
Why use fluff to express simple truths? The truth is that Radu-B is a total douche.

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~lazlow69:iconlazlow69: Dec 7, 2007, 11:41:16 PM
i like your stuff the gta iv stuff the best check mine out
~lake75:iconlake75: Nov 25, 2007, 4:46:51 AM
Great stuff. I love it.[link]
Wow!
~DeimosSaturn:iconDeimosSaturn: Nov 6, 2007, 2:43:09 PM
How...quaint. You are one of many in a long line of dildo lickers who have tried to use their Platonic sensebilities to analyze my personality.

I just want you to know straight away that you failed to get a single thing correct about me.

I do experience emotions and I do recognize the value of emotions. I have primarily published CONCEPTUAL art, which may not cater to your dull and dim tastes, and I wonder if you have a mature understanding of the nature of art.

Finally, it is quite hilarious to see you present my moral relativism philosophical position as some sort of fault. What should you have me believe? That morals exist and we should mutilate children's genitals because it's what your imaginary friend demands from us?

What i find very cute is that you think you can type a bunch of dribble that has a book-ish drawl, then think you sound halfway intelligent, then think you've accurately exposed the core of my being as the frail and insecure child that it is (which is really a reflection of your own desperation to cut other people down), and walk away with the fascade of having PWNED someone. It's known as Lisa Simpson syndrome.

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~Radu-B:iconRadu-B: Oct 21, 2007, 11:20:38 AM
You appear to me as something of a paradox, sir. Your creativity, and therefore your creations amount to nothing, for there is nothing in your mind you see worthy of being expressed. I wonder why, then, do you pursue this path of creating drawings and fictions of other worlds and peoples? Is there a faint trace of emotion left in the bowels of your subconcious mind? Perhaps. Or perhaps you just want to prove that one needs not emotions to create things that others view as beautiful.

Regardless of your purpose, I do beleive I am right in saying that, just like your... hm... 'art', your life will amount to nothing. You try, through your passionate rants, to change peoples' minds about their beleifs. I tell you now that you are one in a long line of humans who have attempted to do the same. All have failed. So will you. You state somewhere that life is misery. I correct you: yours and yours alone is. What is more miserable than living such as you, with no beleif, no ambition, and a soul so small it no longer holds any power over your mind.

To all those who do not understand this comment: Do read what he has to say about morality.
~ngooch:iconngooch: Sep 6, 2007, 1:33:19 AM
haha, you are a riot! Keep up the interesting work and taking down the Ned's of the world :D
~DeimosSaturn:iconDeimosSaturn: Jul 24, 2007, 7:03:49 AM
LOL, kill yourself, cracker whore.

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~DeimosSaturn:iconDeimosSaturn: May 12, 2007, 6:52:44 PM
Thanks.

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~foxgguy2001:iconfoxgguy2001: May 11, 2007, 11:22:16 PM Mood: Amazed
Hay man, fox from the GTAforums board. Man your gallery is INSANE in it's quality. I'll hop on in and comment on some works when I get a chance, but WOW man. Impressive!

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Return the favor, comment back on something.
~Inuyoujo:iconInuyoujo: Mar 6, 2007, 2:19:54 PM
*pounders* Maybe.

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~DeimosSaturn:iconDeimosSaturn: Mar 6, 2007, 1:29:59 AM
Maybe your anus is bleeding because of AIDS. Either that or jews.

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~Inuyoujo:iconInuyoujo: Mar 4, 2007, 8:10:24 AM
:wow: I love your ava! My anus is bleeding ,too, but no one will help me. :pissed:

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~Saxophlutist:iconSaxophlutist: Feb 28, 2007, 4:55:31 PM
:D

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~DeimosSaturn:iconDeimosSaturn: Feb 28, 2007, 12:22:05 PM
I don't mind attal. Be smart and smart me. See if you can refute my 'intelligent design'. I'll try to refute yours.

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~Saxophlutist:iconSaxophlutist: Feb 20, 2007, 6:32:26 PM
I like your Extraterrestial animal work!
Mind if I watch?

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~MissSamara:iconMissSamara: Feb 20, 2007, 9:42:53 AM Mood: Wow!
Yes, I know I am spasticated, as some of what I wrote didn't actually make sense!!! God, way to sell myself, eh? Anyway, incase you didn't realise I meant to actually say, 'racist comments' and 'deviantart'. The reason i said bebo is that I'm a big beboer so sorry about the mix-up!!! x

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~MissSamara:iconMissSamara: Feb 20, 2007, 7:56:15 AM Mood: Anger
Don't you dare call me white trash, you're racist. You don't know anything whatsoever about me and you never will. I am not american, and you have judged me. I am in English top set and if you don't believe that then that is fine, i'd rather not continue this argument. I find it petty and it's really lost the point. My photographer teacher tells me i can report you for your racist and the fact that you're basically harrassing me on bebo. I'm not going to do this as i know this is a big part of your life, and you probably have higher interest in it than me. Anyway i've said my peace. Bye.

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~MissSamara:iconMissSamara: Feb 11, 2007, 3:23:03 PM Mood: Anger
U r fookin lashin me 4 typin 'incorectly'... watev!!!

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